We took the advice up the person that schedules these trips. We took the bus up with frequent stops and a great narrator. Then we did a three hour Jeep tour up to about 12000 ft on Brown gulch. We had about an hour and a half for lunch after the Jeep tour. Then about a four hour ride back on the train. There are no bad seats. Would certainly tell anyone coming to this area to do the same tour. Great company